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Should my Dog Still be Limping After ACL (CCL) Surgery? (Info could apply to any orthopedic surgery)

This is a common question, and the most common answers I give are as follows, based on what I find in my practice:

If your dog is limping your dog is in pain. Your dog is not limping just “because he/she had surgery”; the dog is limping because he/she is painful after surgery.

The pain could be due to the dog being too active.

The pain could be due to the dog not having enough pain meds.

The pain could be due to the knee having an infection.

Those are the three most common situations I encounter after the surgery site has been checked by the veterinarian and has been deemed stable to the best of their knowledge. Follow your vet’s discharge instructions regarding restricting and controlling the activity of your pet, and I also have beneficial instructions regarding this on my homework pages, elsewhere on this site. Depending on the type of surgery performed, many things can go wrong with the items used to stabilise the knee, but these are not the most frequent culprits found in my practice and experience (again, if you are pretty sure the pet hasn’t blown out the surgery). I cite infection as one culprit, and that can come from outside, i.e. licking the incision site, or that can come from suture or implants, etc…on some occasions. You will often be able to narrow down the issue to infection if moderate to high amounts of at least two analgesics are used and the dog is still limping until you try antibiotics. If your pet stops limping 1-3 days after the introduction of antibiotics, then it is likely that you have some form of infection. The “usual” pain medications don’t alleviate infection pain.

The fourth issue that I occasionally find is a torn meniscus. In older dogs that I’ve worked with for non-surgical intervention after a torn cruciate ligament, it has been beneficial to combine Tramadol, Gabapentin, and an anti-inflammatory to get them through the additional pain of torn meniscus and on to better weight-bearing and therefore better muscle improvement. These drugs are great to help with the scientifically-proven exercise choice of gravity-based, weight-bearing drills, which is the most productive way to build bone and supportive tissue strength. The increased thigh muscle will serve to support the joint and in most of my cases has served to stabilise the joint. This work will often also help your pet get past the acute phase of torn meniscus. I have had many of these meniscal tear cases work out with sufficient pain relief over time, however, if you have access to surgery procedure to have the meniscus scoped out (two small slit incisions will be made), then that can be a moderate remedy, too. I say moderate remedy because scoping is less invasive than opening the whole knee for full cruciate repair surgery, if you are wanting to avoid that extensive option. I have had cases that resolved and were strong after the non-surgical work for torn ligament and that have gone on to have the meniscus scoped out without fully opening the knee as would be done in the ligament repair surgery.

Elsewhere on this site, under “Research”, I have posted data from human sports medicine research citing that both torn meniscus and torn ACL can do very well without surgical intervention. These good outcomes involve exercise and physical therapy. Surgery for a torn or ruptured ACL/CCL and/or torn meniscus is optional and is making the decision for this surgery is not a “life or death” decision. Find and read the papers if you would like to know more about the studies for non-surgical remedy :)

If limping and pain are your pets issues, stop them from doing too much activity & read my recommendations on my homework page, which may be found here:

http://rehabilitationandconditioningforanimals.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/post-cruciate-aclcclrepair-homework/

If your dog does not have an anti-inflammatory and an additional analgesic, like Tramadol or Gabapentin, for the first few weeks after surgery, then I recommend you ask your vet to consider supplying those. Use rest, restriction, and even ice during the time your pet does not have other pain relievers. Fish oil, fish containing Omega 3′s (or other animal dietary sources), joint supplements (Like Xymogen DJD, Glycoflex III, Cosequin DS) are beneficial, as are natural anti-inflammatories, like turmeric/curcumin, ginger, rosemary, etc…I like a product called Xyflamend by New Chapter for this. (No, I don’t receive any compensation for mentioning any of these online or in verbal discussion ;) )

If your dog is on moderate-to-high amounts of those analgesics and is being restricted as recommended, then it is highly possible that your dog has an infection. An infection can be present and will cause pain, even if there is no additional swelling or seepage. Anti-inflammatories and the other pain relievers will not relieve infection pain. In my area the vets will often prescribe Cephalexin for a two week course, and the limping usually ceases within the first 24 hrs. of taking the antibiotics.

Infections can occur for many reasons, and an infection is not necessarily someone’s “fault”. I see many patients that are licking at their incision, even if ever so slightly or infrequently (according to owners), and I am telling you that even a small amount of licking can cause a raging infection. Most often, though, I see infections that aren’t seeping or causing additional signs of there being an issue. We are confirmed in our suspicions when the antibiotics have great effect and the limping/lameness/pain is relieved. My own dog incurred infection in a very clean surgery hospital, however she had a weak immune system, and also due to other circumstances was open much longer on the table as she would otherwise have been. Lots of things can cause infection.

Those are the basics.

Limping does NOT mean that the dog (or other animal) needs to be taken to a water treadmill to induce usage of the affected leg. Limping means that there is a problem that needs be rooted out and dealt with. See my suggestions at the beginning of this post for the most likely culprits :) I have taken over the rehab of many dogs that were forced to walk in the water treadmill, didn’t have sufficient pain control, and often have had infection, which was easily rooted out after process of elimination. Some of these dogs, however, have ended up having additional injury that was also discovered after appropriate pain meds were given yet expected relief was not achieved. Some of them incurred injury by being forced to work in the water treadmill, with the practitioner suspecting they were ‘just not using the leg’ as if it were psychological. In my experience, if we deal with the root problem, which is pain, and we find the source of the pain, which can be as simple as “I just had surgery”, then the walking will happen, leg use will occur. Animals aren’t sitting around plotting disuse of their leg and overthinking the issue. They also aren’t holding out so you will give them more drugs. Just sayin’.

I use massage with the small Homedics unit featured in my massage video, I sometimes use ice, and sometimes laser therapy on the knees with infections or lots of effusion (joint swelling). I also recommend that my clients do not work the animals until the pain is relieved substantially. “Relieved substantially” means that they are only slightly favoring the leg. My exercise programs are designed to work in conjunction with adequate pharmaceutical pain relievers. I have utilised many non-pharmaceutical methods of pain relief, however after surgery it seems that pharmaceutical pain relief gives the most benefit. Those pain relievers may be reduced over time as the muscles are built, the joint heals, and appropriate, slow, reintroduction to activity is accomplished. This means, stop going from total restriction to “return to normal activity”. Humans cannot go from a two-month layoff back to winning one of the top five marathons in the world, even if they are world-class…progressive reintroduction has to occur, regardless of what level you were at prior to injury/surgery.

Oh, and, yes, there is always the possibility that your animal has destroyed the surgery in some manner. But the top three reasons for lameness & limping that I already cited are really the most prevalent causes. I have had a few clients who have simply not restricted the animal (dog, cat, horse, llama…) and have allowed far too much activity and have blown up the surgery. Two that come to mind were small dogs that were allowed to run up and down stairs and bounce all over the place. They blew out knee surgeries and had to have re-dos. Only speaking of knee surgeries here, four more biggies come to mind, and none of these had to do with the owner, although in two of them the surgeon tried to blame the owner and/or rehab, but infection was the ultimate culprit. Often I am not called onto a case until extra damage is done, so I am accustomed to rooting out these things, and hopefully this little bit of info is helpful to you.

Just knees, and just off the top of my head, one blowup case was a tiny dog that had both cruciate ligaments and both patellas surgerized all at once. The owner was very compliant, and she had me come each weekday for a month to do the work at least once, so she would “know” it was done correctly. I suspected infection right away in one knee because of the abnormal amount of swelling. I reported excessive effusion and other signs that accompanied this situation and that increased my belief that we had an infection compromising the repair. I could feel the pin in the problem knee working its way out. The short story is that the pin was removed many weeks later, and the owner gained no voice in the meantime with the surgeon. The surgeon did not return my many communications regarding the signs I noted that pointed to a problem. The owner and her regular vet were both timid with regard to going over the head of the surgeon and didn’t want to “step on toes”. This is a complicated scenario, and I see it play out all the time in human medicine and veterinary medicine. I have come to believe that finding our voice in peace and confidence is a part of all our journeys. Ultimately, there is no “blame” here, especially since that isn’t productive; what there is is discovery and learning through experience, and it is ultimately the pets health (or yours) and well-being that needs attention.

Another case is mentioned elsewhere on this blog, that of the Great Pyranees that had knee surgery and ended up blowing out his opposing hip during recovery at the veterinary surgery center. By the time I saw him, I determined he definitely did not have adequate pain meds on board, for either the knee alone and much less for the addition of the FHO hip surgery as well. It is my guess that he was far, far too painful during recovery after the knee surgery and could not support himself well on the surgerized, atrophied leg (yes, I think surgerized is a slang word that some of us have made up…). He had a series of very great complications, and the biggest battle, after we saved his life from gastro & infection-related near-death, was getting adequate pain relief for this very heavy and slightly lazy dog. Eventually so much time went by that his dysfunction (physical and psychological) complicated his recovery. He is however very happy today, and his owners, who live in another town, have worked out a lifestyle that works for all of them. They are also happy.

The first incident I told could happen to any pet, however in the many cases I’ve treated, even it is unique. The second is one I see in very large dogs once in a while because of complications in recovery. I’m convinced they should be recovered like a horse would be! So, cover your bases regarding the first three reasons your dog may be limping/lame and pursue vet care based on this information. In my area, we also have many vets that practice acupuncture and a few that do chiropractic work, so I often direct my patients to their services for the additional pain relief benefits and often for additional pharmaceutical intervention. I know, based on how many I know of in this area that have had complications and feedback I receive from around the world, that very many of you out there have dealt with complications. Realize, though, that most issues I see before *major* complications set in are resolved by following the three guidelines at the beginning of this blog.

A third incident involved a dog that had a bone-modifying knee stabilisaton surgery and was damaged while in recovery at the specialty hospital where he had surgery, best we are able to determine. I had previously worked with the owner on another dog of hers, and when her current dog tore his CCL, she just didn’t think to call me. That happens. She called me to evaluate when he was still very lame a little over a week out of surgery. He had been to work in a water treadmill already. When I first saw him, he was lame beyond what I would expect, based on my experience. He also did not have enough pain control on board, based on established protocol and based on his lameness. He was set to go for another wtm session within the next week, and I drove home to the owner that she really, really needed to alleviate his pain and have the surgeon take another look at him. He was only being given an nsaid (Rimadyl, Deramaxx, Metacam, etc…). I pushed her to get Tramadol from either her regular vet or the surgeon. Weekend coming up, regular vet deferred to the surgeon, surgeon not responsive, associate vet finally gave script over the weekend. Yay! He went to his second wtm session, and I saw him the next day. I told the owner to make an appointment with the surgeon and not do any more activity until they got an x-ray. The dog was far too lame for having the nsaid plus the new moderate doses of Tramadol on board. He had been on antibiotics for the surgery, if I recall correctly, so we didn’t think it was infection, plus, there wasn’t a large amount of effusion (knee joint swelling). It turned out that she got the x-ray and his fibula was broken and the screws and plates were pulled out from where the bone was cut. Eventually we were able to go back and compare post-op rads and find that it seems the fibula was broken in recovery just after the surgery or ? We don’t know. What mattered was moving on and doing the best for the pup. It has been a little over a year and he is doing great! He had some re-dos and a long period of multiple pain reliever drugs being juggled. He was not on any meds at about a year out from the incidents. He did, however, need to take the pain relief drugs for many months. The point to these short stories is to give some brief recounting of post-surgical abnormal knee incidents so you may be informed and move forward with your pet. I am not going into full case studies here.

The fourth incident that comes to mind actually involves two small dogs with the same issue: both had suture repair of torn CCL/ACL and one was encouraged to run up and down the flight of stairs in the home soon after surgery because the owner thought it would help strengthen the dog. He had adequate pain meds, so the owner thought he was healed and encouraged this running. He blew out the surgery. The owner did receive instruction from the vet telling him of restrictions, etc…but restriction is not what happened. The restrictions are very important. The other case was also a small dog, and the owners felt sorry for her and allowed bouncing and running all over the house. She blew out two surgeries in one knee and about a year later had the same surgery on the other knee, this time with many restrictions heeded.

My own dog had OCD, and before I knew more, before I got into this vocation and began putting together what I already knew from sports medicine and exercise physiology, I chose a TPLO for her. She had about a half softball calcification at the medial aspect of the operated stifle, and the first surgery performed to hopefully stimulate correct bone growth was unsuccessful. The TPLO cut was a non-union, meaning the bone did not grow back together after it was cut and the plate was put in place. It wouldn’t have grown back, presumably, given that the bone was damaged inherently as it was. That genetically bad knee turned out to be her better one over time, as the other knee eventually became destroyed. She tore the second CCL in about a years time, and I chose a TPLO for that knee as well. She seemed to have a compromised immune system, so we had a habit of starting her on Cephalexin some days prior to any surgery. Nonetheless, there was a problem with the saw blade in surgery, and we had to wait for a new blade to be flash sterilized. I believe she was just open too long on the table for her system to deal with successfully. She ended up with a resistant pseudomonas infection seemingly immediately, complete with need for drains over several weeks while I administered injectable, powerful antibiotics for weeks. It was clear within about two years that the infection had really eaten up her knee. She had two more scopes to clean out debris. She eventually became bone-on-bone in both knees, the infection knee being the worst, and she eventually tore all three ligaments (diagnosed via signs, x-rays, palpation, and common sense). She was amazing nonetheless, and a pioneer for me regarding non-surgical helps for knee damage, since nothing more could be done given her dynamics and dramatic damage. With her immune system and other medical history, she probably would not have been a candidate for the knee replacement studies that were going on at the time.

And Grace’s situation is likely not the complication your dog/animal will encounter. I welcome stories of problem and resolution. I am only relaying these few stories to allow for the fact that other things do happen outside of the first three most common incidents I outlined, however lameness/limping after surgery is usually one (hopefully one) of the more simple-to-resolve first three situations I cited. ! :)

Over time, and when I am able to allocate time, I will hopefully relay more case studies and stories of problem/resolution.

Blessings-

 

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"When you live in complete acceptance of what is, that is the end of all drama in your life." I'm a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (CSCS) through the National Strength and Conditioning Association, member NSCA Certified Canine Rehabilitation Practitioner (CCRP) through the program at the University of Tennessee Member American College of Sports Medicine Member International Veterinary Academy of Pain Management Certified CPR/First Aid/AED through the Red Cross I love low-level (class IIIb) laser therapy for healing and have been to two laser conferences, absorbing like a sponge. I have been a student of holistic nutrition, healing nutrition and nutrition for sports training since the mid-1970's. I love working on functional rehabilitation for animals and have worked in similar capacity with humans, including world-class athletes and medically-complex cases, off and on for over 25 years. (a large variety of things make up my life, however the above are pertinent to my current occupation and pioneering efforts in functional animal rehab and conditioning.) :)

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7 Responses to “Should my Dog Still be Limping After ACL (CCL) Surgery? (Info could apply to any orthopedic surgery)”

  1. my am staff had her knee done and they gave her nothing for pain it was her right acl

    Posted by jenniffer | July 1, 2012, 5:44 pm
  2. My female boxer, 5 yrs old, had knee surgery in Sept, 2012. She was doing fine, therapy, no activity, etc, gaining muscle tone. In the middle of November she was limbing and would not use that leg for balance, etc.
    Today, December 12, 2012, she is limping worse than when she had the surgery. Our veterinian feels she either has a infection in the knee joint or the implant was infected. The Xrays show that everything is in place and the surgery went well. The vet will be doing more blood tests on her this weekend. My poor dog is in pain. And going through all of these tests is really waring her down, (me, too). I feel bad that we had the surgery done.Does this happen often?

    Posted by Kathleen Campbell | December 12, 2012, 5:19 pm
    • Hi!
      Yes, what I call a latent, low-grade, infection, happens quite frequently, evidently, and it sounds like your vet is on the right track, in my opinion. Your Boxer’s infection may be more obvious than some, however most of the ones I’ve run across that are a couple of months out from surgery don’t have an opening in the skin, and there isn’t notable joint swelling or tissue swelling. Our main indicator, usually, is lameness that is not resolved with very good pain control, meaning at least two analgesics at near the top end of dosing parameters. Usually I find that the post-surgery animal doesn’t have enough pain med on board, so that’s the first thing to resolve after the vet has checked the repair as best possible. Sometimes there is substantial effusion, swelling in the joint, and that expands the joint so that we can’t tell if the surgery is in-tact or not. I usually tell the clients to rest their pet for one to two days, begin appropriate analgesics if they haven’t already, and then begin my intro walks if lameness is better resolved in about two days. The Tramadol, anti-inflammatories, and often Gabapentin are fast acting. I see results in Gabapentin dosing alone within hours of first dose, if it is helping with the type of pain we are addressing. If there is infection, these pain relievers really won’t deal with the infection pain, and then the vet can see the results of pain med dosing then move on to prescribing an antibiotic. In all of the cases I’ve seen and suspected this action, it has been true, there has evidently been an infection, and the lameness has resolved substantially within 2-3 days of antibiotic dosing. When I see an animal that is more than 1/4 lame, not bearing much weight, notably limping, holding up leg, even if they do it indoors and not outdoors, then I know we have pain that is not being addressed. Begin to address the pain and the reason for the pain will reveal itself or be more easily deduced. Helping to resolve these issues is a huge part of my practice, and I’ve seen a lot of interesting cases with this issue, some over a year out from surgery.
      Blessings-
      Deborah

      Posted by rehabdeb | December 14, 2012, 7:58 am
      • My 8 month old goldendoodle had ocd shoulder surgery 10 weeks ago. It was not arthroscopic, but open surgery. He was still limping 4 weeks later, so he was opened up again for a second surgery on the same shoulder. It has been five weeks. He has been given the series of 8 adequan shots, which he just finished, and he limps as bad or worse that he did at the beginning. What can we do? I am heartbroken. My vet says he has ocd in the other shoulder as well, but I’m not about to do anything about it, until we can get our dog out of pain from his first shoulder.

        Posted by Pat | April 1, 2013, 6:16 pm
      • hi! I just finished my last appointment and I’m on my phone right now voice texting you via email.
        are you near me in Austin, Texas?
        my first thought is this takes quite a while to heal and your dog needs more pain medication.
        what meds is your dog on right now?
        also, since this takes a while to heal, she should be doing specific short controlled walks and no extra activity around the house.
        let me know what’s going on with these things-
        Deborah

        Posted by rehabdeb | April 2, 2013, 10:00 am
  3. my dog had ccl surgery 11 weeks ago..we had a lot of snow and she’s favoring her leg again…i believe too much activity too soon. she’s on pain meds (tramodal) …..i’m worried she’s blown her surgery….i’m hoping for not that…any advise?

    Posted by kat | April 20, 2013, 6:54 pm
    • Hi!
      My best advice is to take her back to the vet who did the surgery and have them check it for stability.
      After that, and until you do that, I recommend keeping her on the pain meds and starting my rehab homework with the 5 min walks, done like the homework says to, so long as she is using her leg on the walks and not limping a lot. If she hasn’t had a full rest day with only potty breaks since her ‘using it too much’ time, then I recommend a full rest day or two as soon as possible. Primary goal is to protect the joint while assisting her with mobility.
      Thanks!
      Deborah

      Posted by rehabdeb | April 21, 2013, 1:48 pm

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